Be Excellent To Each Other

I've been thinking about posting this for a while now. Just needed time to really think about what I was going to write.

Now I've never really been a believer in god. Especially as if there is one he let some pretty shit things happen to me so far. I was raised to believe in god though, but soon gave up once the bad stuff started happening. Of course at first I asked him for help but nothing came.

I never really thought much about it in the years after that. Of course, I still speak to my father on a regular basis (even though he's been dead since I was 7) because I found it a good coping strategy. Here I am 37 years later and I still do that. But any way, I digress...

My now ex wife's father died about two years ago. To say she took it badly would probably be the understatement of the year. Any way, she kinda lost her marbles after that and things were never the same. She was determined to start doing research ETC and ended up stumbling upon ITC one day. Without going into tons of frankly quite boring information there are numerous ways you can do this. But, I will explain the logic behind hers.

You need a laptop/PC anything that can play a MP3 or WAV. You then need a player for that, and a MIC and recorder. Now the way she was doing it was using what is known as a "gibberish" file. Basically they come in various shapes or forms, but you usually use one that is not in your language and therefore if anything does "come through" it will be unmistakable. So my ex used to use a Portuguese gibberish file (IE all in the native tongue of the Portuguese) but also reversed using Audacity. So this was pure, unadulterated gibberish.

Now for the most part she would lock herself in the bedroom for around 11 hours a day doing this shit, and I had no choice but to basically just let her get on with it (she becomes terribly angry and abusive when you stop her doing exactly what she wants, hence why we are not married any more) but yeah, I used to just laugh when I thought about it.

Any way, she reckoned she had contacted this "team" on the other side. It is led by a guy known as Monty, or to the great unwashed Montague Keen.

http://www.montaguekeen.com/page127.html

Who died in 2004. From the waffle that my wife used to push into my ears (forcibly, as I really wasn't interested) he was one of the biggest ITC researchers ever.

OK, so after a few days she starts getting these messages. I would be forced into listening to them before I went to bed (even though I totally wasn't interested) and some of them were pretty clear. Some of them, however, I could not make out at all. She reckons she could, but whatever.

And then it happened. She said that Monty had told her she wasn't good enough for the project (because of her past, I am not going into that but it's all on her!) and therefore they would not work with her. Of course then she flew into a mood and became physically abusive toward me. At first I just shrugged it off, then one day she punched me in the stomach. That was about two weeks before I threw her out (literally and physically) however, she then claimed (because she still thought I was interested) that she could no longer contact "Monty" but instead was getting to people who were horrible and nasty. Again I just figured she had completely lost her mind, then I sit down and listen to one (forcibly again).

She begins asking if there is any one to speak to that day. All of a sudden this voice, in English, as clear as a bell says "F**k off you c**t!". From that moment on I was convinced. I mean, she had some good stuff before that but I had never heard anything so clear and so concise.

Then recently I noticed an article about DNA. And how it was pretty much instructions, and how they must have been made by some one...

It hasn't really made a difference. If any one ever asked me about religion and god I would just say how I felt, IE "I believe there is a higher power out there somewhere that created all of this" but that was where I would stop.

So what are your feelings on this? I know it's a pretty touchy subject and the nihilists will just discount it but I'm not deaf.

It sounds like nonsense to me. Like people hearing hidden messages in records played backwards etc. If you mangle up human voices and listen to it long enough then you'll hear them saying all sorts of things.

Apparently the people "on the other side" can manipulate the sound file to make words. And that is how it works and why if you ever get anything legible then you know it didn't come from the gibberish file.

Similar to Mark, I’d say it was likely due to the fact that humans are programmed (and not in the DNA instruction manual way, but due to being intelligent and seeking to make sense of the world) to spot patterns in the world, especially those that reflect humanity in appearance, sound, etc. So shadows look like people, craggy rocks look like faces, and a jumble of sounds will sometimes throw up a combination that our minds will shape as speech.

I’m not a nihilist (which I think was a bit of a jump) but would still discount this as meaningful due to the widely accepted phenomena of seeing patterns when we try to make sense of things, something that is heightened in times of stress and grief. It sounds as if you were both going through a stressful time, your ex with the death and you with the relationship.

I think if they were that technologically able they’d just be on Twitter or something?

Yeah, with the best will in the world, if you sit listening for voices for 11 hours a day, you'll hear them eventually. I'm sorry that you and your ex-wife went through such a rough time, but I'm a long way from convinced about ITC.

what is ITC?

Why on earth would people 'on the other side', if capable of changing 1s and 0s in an audio file to create words hours into a garbage audio file, not just change 1s and 0s in a text file to say what they want? Infinitely easier and better.

So ignoring the question of whether there is another side with people there trying to communicate, it's not just that the possibility of them doing so is ludicrous, it's that the method is ludicrous.

Sadly I very much agree with others that it's delusion born of obsession - and an idea propagated by those who seek to profit either by publicity or direct gain, just like mediums. So sorry for what your ex-wife went through.

I did a degree in biochemistry with specialisation in molecular genetics...

If DNA was designed as instructions, the designer was drunk, forgetful and generally incompetent.

Yes its instructions in terms of what codes proteins and signal blocks for expression and it usually works, but it's a hugely faulty mess for something designed.

and going back to your assassin ancestor.

Ah, the Cras school of software engineering.

I completely understand that. The thing is, what about when you call some one in who really doesn't give a crap about it and really isn't interested in it and hasn't gone through a bad time and they hear it?

I've heard some nonsense about pessimistic people not being able to see ghosts or spirits because they don't believe. But I've never heard anything about the pessimist who doesn't believe hearing something say "f**k off you c**t". In fact, she even refused to hear that. She said he was saying something else.

I think the fact that you say it was so unmistakeable and clear that it convinced you, only to then say that she heard something different perhaps proves rather than disproves that your brains are struggling to fit the sound jumble into patterns (and both finding something different).

OMFG from the link



Speaking from the other side to warn people about Monsanto. Definitely legit.

Even google isn't helping. The couple of sites that I found referring to the afterlife and ITC didn't explain.

With a PayPal donate button.

I never did trust those Jesuits.

Usually it was quite hard to understand, and I would need her to tell me what was being said. And even then at times I could not hear it, no matter how many times I listened to it or was expecting to hear a specific sentence.

But this was as clear as day. I've heard the phrase plenty of times, so I know just how it sounds

YouTube video plz.

Idiots Talking Crap, apparently.

Not you, JC. The tinfoil hatters on the net

Aye, that was one of the few names I gave it.

Imagine Talking Corpses.

Brains are weird, they're set up to try and find pattern and meaning in things, I see faces in all sorts of stuff for example (although never on Craster). I don't believe in the afterlife and stuff, yet I'm still 80% Goth. See, people are weird.

Cor, I’ve never thought of that before.

Cor, nor that!

Good point, Z - that's why we see faces in clouds and things.

When I was much, much youner (8ish, I'd guess) I have a cupboard with a repeating pattern carved out along the top. One day, while going to sleep, I'd left the doorof it open, and a sliver of light through the room door fell on it which basically caused a section of it to look like a demonic face.

I didn't sleep well for weeks. And until the day I moved out, that door was always shut before I went to sleep, despite long since having realised that my cupboard didn't actually want to kill me.

Stupid brain.

So, you're saying it's actually dead people that are stealing the MHz from my CPU?

It is called Spectre! Maybe it's a huge cover up!

The only Priest you need on this is Judas

We just hear what we want at the time

Either that or Judas Priest are part of the Illuminati in league with Trebor and are trying to sell mints through their music.

What's the process here?

1. Take a 'gibberish file'
2. Play it into the open air
3. Record that playing
4. Listen to the recording
5. Spot hidden communications?


Humans spot patterns out of nothing. It's why hallucinogenic drugs are so popular. Unfortunately it sounds like her grief has caused her to forcibly try and spot patterns out of nothing, and that those patterns are ones containing negative messages.

Interesting theory, when you think of it. Do you think that people who have died, if they were able to manipulate digital files would use such a laborious set up to convey their messages, or would they (for example) more likely use some text-based medium which far more people are likely to use every day?

Perhaps you were looking for words in the gibberish, probably not knowingly. Your ex wife had mentioned she could now only reach people who were horrible and nasty, and had very recently done something particularly horrible and nasty herself. Maybe this was your subconscious telling you something rather than people from the other side?

I’ve watched some things on YouTube where people use spirit boxes - seems similar to your ex’s technique. They had a little machine that switched through radio stations 8+ times per second, so in theory if any words came through it must be the spirits manipulating it. It only ever produced one syllable words “Mike”, “go”, “run”, and a lot of the time they were making massive leaps to get to those words basing them around things they already knew about the supposedly haunted places they were visiting.
I remain sceptical but intrigued.

It's a bit like mediums. It's somewhat laughable to think that if the dead could communicate, that's what they'd choose to communicate.

They all sound scouse, too.

An interesting titbit of information that you may not have considered before: as a survival technique, humans are programmed to see patterns in things where there are none. This is why conspiracy theories are so popular; some people don't want to believe that the world can just be fucking shit for absolutely no reason at all except for the fact that humans are shit, and instead try to link unconnected events together to make some semblance of sense out of them.

I *guess* in that point someone could argue the case that though they might not be able to cause physical (or digital ) changes in the world that some hocus pocus meant that they were able to communicate through thought/spirit, which might not be so comparible with digital manipulation.

But yes, that and any fortune telling props that mediums use are silly. Tarot cards would be an odd way for the universe to explain the way it has and will organise itself for you. You could argue that it’s just a framework for a medium to channel his/her sights via, but either the arrangement means something (in which case the universe would have to utilise them as a communication method, rather than just write your fate clearly in an email to you each morning) or it does not, in which case the cards should not be interpreted at all as the medium should channel what is being communicated to them without being influenced by the randomness of the card draw.

Right?

It'd be:
"OooOooOodeletemybrowserhistoryOooOoOo"

One need only look at the pioneering work of Scooby Doo to realise this is all bunkum.

I went to see a medium once with my mom. I don't believe in ghosts or the after life or anything like that but my mom wanted to go so I went with her out of curiosity.

The medium was a woman who used to be a man. I say used to be a man, I'm pretty sure it was just a stocky guy with a deep voice in a dress but there you go. Anyway, she did the usual guff by going around the room and saying stuff like "I can see a man... a man in an apron... Over this side of the room... Does anyone know a man who had an apron who has passed on?"

The whole thing was ridiculous and people were clinging onto the slightest hint that their recently deceased were trying to get in touch. It did absolutely nothing to convince me that there's anything after death.

I believe that we experience the same thing after death as we did before we were born. Absolutely nothing.

Mediums make me very cross as they cynically prey on people's hope and desperation for money.

I’ve seen clips of that chap before. He annoys me more than pretty much snyone that’s been in TV, ever. Partly because he’s doing that nonsense to begin with, but more because he’s so BAD at it. It’s a seaside end of pier show type of awful, without the performer/audience distance to take the edge off of the shamefully bad performance.

That's hardly a new racket. Churches have been at it since pretty much forever.

I'm disagreeing there. Briefly: I think religion can play a large part of helping to form a feeling of togetherness and community. In (others) death, this helps people be less lonely, and there's people and processes to deal with grief, with the rituals and so on.

I think both of those positions are true.

Agreed

For me, the biggest argument against any of this stuff is that surely anyone that was genuinely able to communicate with the dead would be of huge interest to scientists around the globe. Yet none are.

Similarly, I know that time travel will not be possible in my lifetime because if it were, my current self would tell my future self to travel back to some point in the past and give me a sign.

You did do, but that's on another timeline now.

Yeah we ended up with about ten old radios. Problem is none of them were suitable. There are quite a few ways people do it



There was an experiment done many years ago where they locked a film roll into a box. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called though. I think all of the scientists who do engage in it keep it quiet. In fact, other than the people asking for Paypal donations I think most still do at fear of being ridiculed. It's still an enormously taboo subject and something that most dimiss out of hand.



ITC has nothing to do with mediums. In fact, if I even so much as mentioned mediums or "ghosts" she used to fly into one.