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 Post subject: Cyronics
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:39 
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Was going to post this in the political banter thread but felt it probably needed one of its own.

The ruling on the teenage cyronics case is interesting reading. I think the decision in the case was correct. It's not about the rightness of cryonics (we might solve the defrosting part in time, but undoing the 'being dead' bit is for me the stumbling block) but about what someone capable but under the legal age to make a will can request. It's basically the same desire as anyone following a religion with particular post-mortem (or indeed pre-mortem) rituals is after: life after death, albeit with shiny tech rather than incense and chicken entrails.

The postscript made me sad:

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The Trust expresses very real misgivings about what occurred on the day of JS's death. In brief and understated summary:

(1) On JS's last day, her mother is said to have been preoccupied with the post-mortem arrangements at the expense of being fully available to JS.

(2) The voluntary organisation is said to have been under-equipped and disorganised, resulting in pressure being placed on the hospital to allow procedures that had not been agreed. Although the preparation of JS's body for cryogenic preservation was completed, the way in which the process was handled caused real concern to the medical and mortuary staff.


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 Post subject: Re: Cyronics
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 13:01 
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I think the problem remains that you can freeze someone and then thaw them, but that causes the water in the cells to expand and contract and turns the human into a kind of mush. I know they now replace the blood with a different fluid, but it's not going to stop the process irretrievably screwing the brain.

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 Post subject: Re: Cyronics
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 14:15 
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A 15℅ glycerol solution was good to keep E
Coli at -80 almost indefineately.

I heard about the girl on Today. It was dreadfully sad.

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 Post subject: Re: Cyronics
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 14:38 
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MaliA wrote:
A 15℅ glycerol solution was good to keep E
Coli at -80 almost indefineately.

I heard about the girl on Today. It was dreadfully sad.

When I first heard of the case I thought it was someone we knew. 14 year old girl, bit geeky and terminally Ill and we've not heard from the parents for a few weeks. Others hand the same idea too, relieved it wasn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Cyronics
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:33 
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I suppose that even with all the issues around the process today there is some sort of body to bring back to life in the future!

Was surprised how cheap it was, the cost was £37,000. I guess we are talking 100's of years before this would be even possible?

This sort of thing does upset family's, I remember my granddad wanted to leave his body to medical science, my aunt went mental at the prospect and called my dad and her other siblings to persuaded him against it, he changed his mind in the end.

Part of this has always interested me, but it would be odd to be bought back to life in 100's of years time, everything you ever knew would be gone.


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